مرحبا اخوان

ترة اني مدا احاول اصير ظريف او استهزائي لمن دا اسأل "ليش؟" كل مرة
و راح ابقى اسأل ليش الى ان نوصل لجواب اعمق من مجرد "عادات و تقاليد" او "هية هيجي" او "شرقيين"... اني راح ابقى اسأل ليش الى أن نوصل لأعمق شي نقدر نوصلة بتحليل النفسية البشرية و نشوف ليش المجتمع، اي مجتمع، ديتصرف بالطريقة الفلانية حتى نقدر نحدد الغلط وين و نشتغل على تصليحه.
فيا اخوان، مرة لخ، ليش هيجي شي غير ممكن عدنه؟

بالمناسبة و بذكر الشرقيين، اخوية نبيل اسمحلي اقوللك انو اني احييك و اتفق وياك بهواية من النقاط اللي تطرحهة بس صراحةً اختلف وياك اغلب الأحيان بأسلوب الطرح... لا تزعل مني اني مثل اخوك الصغير بس ميصير تشمر كلشي موزين على "الشرق" و "الشرقيين" لأن هذا طرح جغرافي ولو انتة تقصد اسلوب التفكير الي انته تشيرله بال"شرقي" بس هذا ما معناه انو موجود فقط بالمجتمعات الشرقية، و لا معناه انو الغربيين احسن او انو ماعدهم ناس يفكرون بنفس الطريقة،....

انته دتحارب طريقة تفكير "محافظة" او "رجعية" على عيني و على راسي، بس مال تربطهة بال"شرق" و اوتوماتيكياً تفترض انو الشر المطلق هو شرقي و الخير المطلق هو غربي فهاي شوية صعبة، هسة راح تقوللي يمكن انو انت ماقلت انو الشرق شر مطلق، صحيح ما قلتهة بس لسان حال كتاباتك هيجي يقول حتى لو جان قصدك غير شي....

سوري اذا ضوجتك بس ردت انبهك

بالمناسبة اني ما جنت بكلية بغداد على الرغم انو اعز اصدقائي مناك، اني من متميزي الكرخ1 (الخضراء)، مع حبي و اعتزازي بكل مدارسنا و خريجيها.

شكراً

please dear kadem and nabeel calm down...

don't draw the subject to a ((vicious circle)) ..

many thanks in advance for accepting my advice....hhhhhhh

Don't worry Leo, we're already calm.

Myself I'm very calm, and I'm sure Nabeel is.... don't worry

hi again

well .. if there is something wrong in our society .. sure we can critisize it , not only that .. we should try to even change it , if we can ..

but on the other hand .. when we look to the bright side of the west .. & analyse it .. we may find a dark side as well .. with some un-wanted consequenses .. or we may not ..

niether our eastern nor the western societies are totally perfect .. & the problem is we always critisize our society , forgetting about the negative side of the west ..

try to make a full analysis before judging .. weather you are judging the eastern or the western societies ..

regards

we dont have to critisize the west bcos we dont live there.......

we live in the eastern so we must critisize the eastern and thereby fix it.

now aquestion if you((my dear reader)) had the choice to live in aworld.....would it be the east or the west??considering the darksides of both............((iraq is not an example of the east bcos of the situation but i meant egypt ,syria..........etc)).

i am sure most of you would choose the west.

bottom line i think that human beings are more appericiated over there.(my opinion)

hi tina

if u read my 1st reply, i was talking about our society only and i didn't mention the western one, coz like medical boy said i don't have to, i don't measure our society to the western one, i just c things in here and think they r wrong, not coz in west they do things differently but coz to me it is wrong. so i think there is no need to mention the west at all. of course the western society is not perfect, there is no such thing. if i live in the west and i c wrong things, i'll criticize them whether other societies have worse problems or better.

i can criticize our society all the time even if i don't know the west exists, it's just irrelevant. why should i compare anything. why should i put in mind the negative side of the west when criticizing our society?! i don't get this. if there's sth wrong happening here, why do i need to study what the west does before speaking out? does the negative side of the west justifies the wrong things we have in our society?

We're straying away from the subject guys... this is not to compare the east with the west, this is to find out why can't a selfless, humane act such as a hug be practiced with ease in our society?

WHY?

in a trial to answer your question kade.

i think if you go back to the roots of our society you will find it is a tribal one though we assume that we are civilized and modern but the reality is not as such .
still many of the tribe rules controling us and it is implanted in ourselves by the effect of family, peers,people you are dealing with everyday and you will aquire them concieously or unconciously .
even if you despise these acts you will have to do it, pretend to accept it, behave as if it is acceptable or normal to be seen even if it is not.

as you know rural people are tough, firm, don't acknowledge feelings or emotions they view them as weakness.
the ideal most promoted image for an eastren man is a tough, non crying man with firm personality .
the ideal most promoted female figure is a seemingly cold, calm, a non self expressing one.
so tell me how would you expect such people will take the initiative to hug or offer ahug back ?!
though i personally believe hugs and starting to communicate is a first step in healing such complicated, sick, far from humanity society.

Regards
Farah Baha

Well thank you Farah for your reply, I believe you were the closest one to identifying the problem...

So it's not really the religion, it's mainly the tribal spirit that we all have in ourselvees in a way or another, to a certain extent.

How do you think we can tame this spirit and civilize it?

Is it by waging a war against all what's traditional? is it by trying to make the people experience the difference (I mean by doing things like the free hug campaign anyway)? is it by not caring and doing nothing but sitting back and hoping this society will change one day?

Hi fellows,
I was reading the whole topic with all subsequent replies you did.
I reconsidered many ideologies that you submitted.
I tried to stay away from entering those discussions as many else did.
but..
I just wanna tell you one thing is that: if you are okay with hugging then go ahead,and if the opposite one ahead of you is willing to accept your hug then .. again ... go ahead.

leave religion and society away from the blame.
in short : do what you want to do as long as you satisfy with your deed.

Answering Kade,I guess others had answered earlier by clarifying that religion is the CAUSE not traditions nor customs or the ORIENTALS.

GREAT THANKS FOR YOU MY DEAREST KADEMAD FOR SUBMITTING THIS TOPIC.
KEEP IT UP BROTHER.

p.s : No offense nor disrespect was meant by this reply,please accept my lil humble point of view.

V/r

Samer.

I believe tolerance comes from exposure meaning if people start to see different things , different life styles, different attitudes maybe this will urge them to think or reconsider their ways of living .

still if someone is about to make unusual movement in a non tolerant society i believe explaining his ideas, clarifying the intention and the aim behind itmight help.

try to familiarize the human beings with the action intended to be done is of a great importance. there is a nice quotes states الناس اعداء ما جهلوا
also i believe in baby steps meaning one thing at a time eg:on the free hugs subject i would recommend starting a same gender hugging , encourging shaking hand with opposite gender for starter .

the subject also reminds me of the saying dr. ragha albaghdadi used to say اخذنا قشور الحضارة و الروح روح الجاهلية

Regards
Farah Baha

p.s: i do believe religion has impact on this issue but from my humble observations people tend to fear other peoples opinion more than fearing God and that's why i believe the traditions have the greatest impact in this issue .

كلام موزون واكثر من صحيح بالواقع هوة هذا اللي ديصير وبدون تنظير او مزايدة

Couldn't agree more with that .. It is really the core of the problem .."what other people think or how they judge us" .. i guess that comes from the lack of strong personalities within us.. ..We need to stop asking about what is right and wrong from the first second..we have BRAINS to see and judge ..!!!else than that we will never be able to change ..

salam everyone....

dear kadem, the presence of 1 reason doesn't mean other reasons don't exist, things can have more than one reason.

i agree with what farah said, that was beautifully put u should be in politics tooha