I think that low attendance rate is good for the small group of students who are attending the lectures. As you probaby have noticed, when the attendnce is low, the lecture tends to be much more like a tutorial with questions asked and discussions made. I think that a student who doesn't want to attend a lecture has the right to do so. If a student can make it in the exams without attending lectures, then the lectures might not be of a benefit after all. To make it short, if you want to attend, go a head, if you don't want to, don't. That's my opinion.

well, the key thing to solve this problem is to make the balance between the advantages of getting in a lecture+disadvantages of staying out > disadvantages of getting in+advantages of staying out.
It's alllllll about this equation, once a student feels that the first part of it is winning, he/she will attend the lecture, as we have done several times with few doctors, when we felt that we can gain some benefit if we attend their lectures, no need to mention names though, most of u know.
So, what we need to do is to increase the advantages of getting in, as this could make students enter the lecture by their own decision, unlike when they, the professors, increase the disadvanatages of stayin out, like when they make a quiz or assign marks for attendance. coz then many students would attend without wanting to, and would only affect negatively on other students and the outcome of it all.

if 230 students will be in so who will be in the (Nady) and in this case the college will be bored,student who doesn't want to attend a lecture is good,but the others r good 2
good job kadhum u r on my head

I’m afraid I disagree with you Numan because the exams are not a good way to measure our progress in medicine, so the question is do we want to learn? Or do we want to pass the exams? Maybe we don’t want to attend lectures but we need to do so in order to learn.

I agree that attending must not be obligatory and I think if lectures were more interesting, students will attend lectures willingly, like Kadem said (by the way, nice equation, Kadem).

Best wishes

wallahi 7achyak kalam
anee ma da'7el akther men 10 lec last year o naje7 door awal o darajatee zeena ... so it will make no difference for me.. at least atwanes bel dawam 3alamood men a8raa bel beet agool anee metwanes

Hey , Let's Cut down some of the Bullox shall we .
I personally think that not every one have what it takes to attend a lecture and remain seated for an entire hour , during which you have to open your ears your eyes and your mind and try to make the best out of it ,
come on let's face it . only winners can enter lectures , Losers are the ones who can't .
I think in the near future you will see what I mean ,
when you enter the lecture , you're actually recieving ( apart from knowledge ) the personal expeirence of the lecturar himself , for every once and a while he would come to mention an intersting case that he came across throughout his career ; these particular cases are the ones that we should know , but unfortunatly they don't get written in lectures , and no matter how good the writer is , he can no write enough .
so if any one of us think that he doesn't need that expereince offered , FACE it , you're mistaken .
still I do agree with numan , a small tutorial is better, so for those of the losers who can not attend the lectures . I present them a Grate "THANK YOU " on behalves of all those winners who attend . you're doing us a favour .

p.s I do apologize in advance for those who might find my reply rather unpleasant . I think when any of you sees how the right things work , he would start to hate failure and work hard not be a failure and not to involve among any , this might be a problem for me with lots of my collagues for some of them I really care when we will meet next year , so if you're a true friend then bear with me .
if you can't ; it's not my problem

Cheers

Hi Saif,

Well I appreciate your open way of speaking. However, you’re missing the point, everybody knows that attending lectures and paying attention is the right thing to do but the fact is a lot of student do not attend so we’re thinking of a way to make these students attend, we’re trying to find out what’s wrong with the professors or/and students that is making students attend no lectures so that we can improve things and make more students attend and study better in order to be better doctors. It’s like we’re thinking of solutions to our problems, we’re trying to help each other.

Dear Saif, I attend lectures but I really don’t like how you call students who do not attend “losers” because you never know, maybe it’s not their fault. I know students who were brilliant in high school but when they came to this college they stopped studying as hard as they used to, do you think such thing can happen suddenly without a reason? There’s for sure something wrong and we must find it and try to fix it. There are many problems in our college like lousy books, lousy photocopied lectures, some lousy lecturers, lousy equipment and the big number of students. Now just because some students can’t study in these lousy circumstances does not make them “losers”. I think almost every students is a good student but s/he just happened to come to a lousy college and if we care enough then we will do something about it.

Saef has some good points, but he unfortunately has presented them with rather a "foul" way.
I totally agree with Hamoodi, u should not call the other people as losers, simply coz they don't attend lectures, maybe they are the real winners, by -maybe- not wasting their time entering lousy lectures, with all my respect to the good ones, and the good lecturers.
And I think I'll start a topic, about this point hamoodi, how "our college is killing us", or maybe u should do it.
WE HAVE TO find why!??!?
Why we lose so many brilliant students, as soon as the enter the college?


Thank you all, and Saef, it's absolutely your right to post ur opinions in whatever way u see appropriate, but try not to hurt or attack anyone, plz.

well , for that I can apologize ,

Saif just tried to express his own point of view about attending letcutres with the "winner and loser" theory, which makes sence to me by the way. he didn't offend any of our colleagues. He was talking in general. For me, I can't always pay attention and get benefit of attending all the lectures. many times i fail to collect my thoughts and concentrate on the lecturer, so I guess that would make me a loser according to saif's theory, and well, I kinda find it true! I'm a loser if i dont win some info.! I see no offence in that.

People! I dont understand. How do you demand and expect others to give us democracy, if we don't start applying it among us first?

As for me, Attending the lectures is always positive! because no matter how much info. u get, it can be helpful after all. something will stick in ur brain. one can't get out with nothing. at least we'll have an idea about the subject before we read the lecture, which in a way or another will help and facilitate things for us.

Not to mention the "Real good lectures" in which, the prof. gets our attention without us having to make great efforts to stay focused. Also as Saif said , he talks about "his personal expeirence like mentioning some intersting cases that he came across throughout his career ; these particular cases are the ones that we should know , but unfortunatly they aren't all written in lectures. As for me, I write surgery lectures and i know that no matter how much i write, the photocopied lectures can't substitute attending the lectures themselves. Plus as well all know, what we hear and see gets stuck in our brains for a longer time than what we read, that is a fact. The information that are gained by reading seem to fade away right after we finish the exam. But that's not what we want.

This year seems to have a good start for many students. My heart cheers when I get in and see all those students sitting there! I salute u my friends for that! Hope all turns out to be good for u this year and the next year

love,
Sarah S. Hanna

P.S. I dont mean to offend anyone. I respect, appreciate and love all my colleagues. and I hope you don't misunderstand any of the things i get to say. Peace :-)

Dear Sarah,

I think what happened is not something against democracy, Saif said his opinions then Kadem and I said ours and that’s it, in fact this is democracy, to be able to disagree freely. We’re not angry with Saif and for me I kind of miss Saif’s presence in this forum because he used to spice things up with his ideas.

Best wishes